Islam vs. Christianism (i) Death of Jesus

Talk based on the Surah 2. 62 between me, a Christian from Brazil and Ayhan, a muslim friend from Turkey. I hope he will not worry to have it published: The chat deserves it!

(23:34:22) *Carol*: What Mohamed said about Jesus?

(23:34:54) (S) AYHAN (*): he said jesus, isa, was a prophet of Allah

(23:35:06) *Carol*: But he calls him Christ

(23:35:08) *Carol*: ?

(23:35:11) (S) AYHAN (*): he was not be killed by people

(23:35:23) (S) AYHAN (*): he called as a isa

(23:35:31) (S) AYHAN (*): Hz . Isa

(23:35:40) (S) AYHAN (*): we call him like that

(23:35:42) *Carol*: hm... but it says about christians

(23:35:55) (S) AYHAN (*): what you mean ?

(23:36:54) *Carol*: I mean... when it says about christians, it seems to me the word agrees with that which believes jesus/ isa is the christ

(23:37:12) (S) AYHAN (*): according to Quran, jesus was taken to the sky by Allah, therefore nobody killed him...

(23:37:17) *Carol*: hm... I didnt explained well

(23:37:24) *Carol*: I see

(23:37:35) *Carol*: But just a prophet... not the messiah?

(23:37:45) (S) AYHAN (*): but people thought that they killed jesus

(23:37:56) *Carol*: hm.... tell me better

(23:38:12) *Carol*: people thought they killed...

(23:38:13) (S) AYHAN (*): actually, they killed how do you say "disciple"

(23:38:18) *Carol*: crucified?

(23:38:34) (S) AYHAN (*): they killed a sutudent of jesus

(23:38:38) (S) AYHAN (*): student

(23:38:43) *Carol*: disciple yes...(23:38:49)

*Carol*: apostolo

(23:38:58) *Carol*: discí­pulo

(23:39:19) (S) AYHAN (*): because he finked on jesus

(23:39:19) *Carol*: dont remember how to write in english =)

(23:39:37) (S) AYHAN (*): I got it

(23:39:39) (S) AYHAN (*): disciple

(23:39:50) *Carol*: ok

(23:39:54) *Carol*: ah,...

(23:40:12) *Carol*: do you mean people would have killed a disciple in his place

(23:40:15) (S) AYHAN (*): apostle

(23:40:26) (S) AYHAN (*): yes

(23:40:36) (S) AYHAN (*): but he was a bad student

(23:40:38) *Carol*: why?

(23:40:46) *Carol*: haha...

(23:40:53) (S) AYHAN (*): he told people where jesus were

(23:41:10) (S) AYHAN (*): people will have catched the jesus

(23:41:16) *Carol*: I think that even if he deserved it, Jesus wouldnt let someone die in his place.

(23:41:20) (S) AYHAN (*): but they couldnt

(23:41:40) (S) AYHAN (*): because Allah change the face of that bad student

(23:41:46) *Carol*: Yes...

(23:41:56) (S) AYHAN (*): everbody guessed that that man is jesus

(23:42:03) *Carol*: hm...

(23:42:06) (S) AYHAN (*): but jesus was in the sky:)

(23:42:21) *Carol*: But do you think it is fair?

(23:42:34) (S) AYHAN (*): everybody catched this bad disciple

(23:42:55) (S) AYHAN (*): and crucified

(23:42:56) *Carol*: Can I tell the other version now?

(23:42:59) *Carol*: =)

(23:43:06) (S) AYHAN (*): other?

(23:43:15) (S) AYHAN (*): ok tell me

(23:43:17) *Carol*: Yes... Christian's version

(23:43:22) (S) AYHAN (*): please

(23:44:13) (S) AYHAN (*): by the way, yes I believe it is fair

(23:44:14) *Carol*: Christ died in the cross... not only for the good disciples but also in the place of the bad disciple who would have deserved it.

(23:44:24) *Carol*: Because..

(23:45:03) *Carol*: Everybody deserved to die in that cross, as everybody commited sin... and even though

(23:45:13) *Carol*: He forgived us...

(23:45:45) *Carol*: And because he forgived us and gave his life there for ours... I don t want to sin again...

(23:45:58) *Carol*: Because of His love for me...

(23:46:10) *Carol*: That's my christian story

(23:46:21) *Carol*: And..

(23:46:39) (S) AYHAN (*): carol

(23:46:41) *Carol*: He ressurrectec... cause God make the dead alive

(23:46:50) *Carol*: as in the surah

(23:47:50) A mensagem pode não ter sido enviada porque o tempo limite foi atingido:as in the surah

(23:47:52) (S) AYHAN (*): you think that jesus was killed by the other people

(23:47:52) (S) AYHAN (*): ??

(23:47:52) (S) AYHAN (*): yes ?

(23:48:03) *Carol*: No...

(23:48:05) A mensagem não pode ser enviada porque um erro ocorreu no switchboard:No...

(23:48:55) ayhangullu8@hotmail.com mudou seu apelido para (S) AYHAN (*).

(23:49:02) (S) AYHAN (*): :)

(23:49:23) *Carol*: I think jesus was killed by the jews and the romans (believers and gentils)... and you and me... because of our sin

(23:49:25) (S) AYHAN (*): did you see my last question

(23:50:09) (S) AYHAN (*): interesting

(23:50:11) (S) AYHAN (*): I mean

(23:50:30) (S) AYHAN (*): jesus was killed because of your sin

(23:50:31) (S) AYHAN (*): ???

(23:51:33) *Carol*: Sure... because of my sin too... to save me. For the people who lived and who would still live and believe in him

(23:52:19) (S) AYHAN (*): first question: do you beleive in God (Allah)

(23:52:37) *Carol*: Yes

(23:52:40) (S) AYHAN (*): what kind of God ?

(23:52:53) (S) AYHAN (*): let me tell you

(23:52:59) (S) AYHAN (*): powerful God

(23:53:05) (S) AYHAN (*): merciful God

(23:53:06) *Carol*: Hm... There are many things to say to answer it

(23:53:09) *Carol*: Yes...

(23:53:21) (S) AYHAN (*): God has endless power

(23:53:23) (S) AYHAN (*): right?

(23:53:24) *Carol*: Merciful, powerful...

(23:53:26) *Carol*: right

(23:53:32) (S) AYHAN (*): good

(23:53:35) (S) AYHAN (*): even so good

(23:53:49) (S) AYHAN (*): ok now let me tell you this

(23:54:22) (S) AYHAN (*): do you think that Allah let people kill Allah' prophet????????

(23:54:30) (S) AYHAN (*): dont be hurry

(23:54:43) (S) AYHAN (*): read this question a few times

(23:55:02) (S) AYHAN (*): Allah's prophet***

(23:55:31) (S) AYHAN (*): you were talking about endless power

(23:55:51) (S) AYHAN (*): you were talking about Allah knows everthing

(23:56:10) (S) AYHAN (*): if Allah has endless great power

(23:56:22) (S) AYHAN (*): if Allah can do everthing what it wants

(23:56:31) (S) AYHAN (*): any

(23:56:52) (S) AYHAN (*): Allah let the people kill its prophet

(23:56:57) (S) AYHAN (*): of course no

(23:57:12) *Carol*: I will answer now

(23:57:12) (S) AYHAN (*): he wasnt killed by people

(23:57:16) (S) AYHAN (*): ok

(23:59:19) *Carol*: He gave his son... not a prophet. Because He wanted to give life to this people so they wouldnt die in theirs sins... Because He loved even the sinner.

(23:59:48) *Carol*: And He knew it since the beginning.

(23:59:59) (S) AYHAN (*): from Adam to Hz Muhammed , Allah didnt let the people kill Allah's prophets never ever

(07-09-2009 00:00:27) *Carol*: But Ayhan... the story doesnt end in his death

(00:00:32) (S) AYHAN (*): why would Allah have let people to kill him??

(00:01:11) *Carol*: because he could be victorious in love throught that

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